i understand what your saying about gear being too crazy, i know it can harm the server all im saying and like others are saying we would like it to be 10% to 20% better than farm gear. That to me isnt asking for much and it wont have a negative effect on the server, as to being to op. It just seems to be the right thing to do. As you were saying about the donate button just to donate some people might do it, but most of us did it cuz we wanted better. but no matter how you look at it its a ice is a business, they sold a product, and than took that product away to not give back anything close to what you paid for. But as this is now a new server with PF and its about raids etc, i do understand where gear over op is bad. Thats why im saying a 10%-20% difference than what can be farmed, would put this to rest for alot of us. "Its just the right thing to do"...